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  • An appeal to our mechanical Gurus out there.

    An appeal to our mechanical Gurus out there.




    Symptoms: After driving our 05 without issue for about 80 miles, the car began to hesitate on acceleration from a stop. It got to a point where I had to push the gas pedal quite far down, and then it would kind of launch itself. If we were starting around a corner, the tires would even squeal. This car has 48,000 miles and has been a very strong running car, very smooth on acceleration from stop with no hesitation whatever has been the norm.




    What has been done to this car by me: All new COPs and plugs, and a K&N CAI system, about 800 miles ago. Borla exhaust added about 500 miles ago. Car was running very strong and smooth. It still is running well, but for the issue from a standing stop.




    My guess: (and it is only a guess) Is that something is off in the TPS (throttle position sensor) and it needs to be reset / replaced.




    Questions: What is the procedure for checking the TPS is set correctly? How do I know if it needs replacing? Is it possible that the TPS adjustment simply came loose and slipped on the throttle shaft? Is the TPS even where to start looking?




    What I think I know: I have in the past put an aftermarket (Holley) TBI injection system on an old Camaro. I had to set the TPS on that using a certain milliamp setting at a measured idle point. (Basically, I put a certain size drill bit to hold the throttle plate open to the idle position, and then set the TPS to the proper milliamp at idle. That was pretty much it.)




    What I know: I know that I am not a Guru, and that I can do more harm than good by proceeding without proper guidance. I know I have worked on cars since I was a very young man, and that I can turn a wrench. I know that I am not an electronics wiz in any way shape or form.




    If you would like to make helpful suggestions, I would be most appreciative. Thanks in advance for taking your time to respond.




    Dave.

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    I would be tempted to run a bottle of Techron Plus Concentrate through it as a first step - not a big fan of additives but this one I've had good luck with.

    An '05 should have an OBDC port which you should scan and examine the errors...this is the scanner I use, it is backed up by a cloud database that will indicate for your SPECIFIC car the top fixes that resolved a particular thrown error - very sophisticated:

    https://www.amazon.com/BlueDriver-Bl...1JAFECP&sr=8-2

    Currently on sale and will work on all of your late model cars.
    Last edited by Frank Dreano; Jun 11, 2020, 08:48 AM.

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    • #3
      Dave,. Do you know if those 48K miles if the fuel filter has ever been changed?

      When the CAI was installed was the Mass Air Flow sensor's connection put back together tightly & is still well connected?
      Is the Mass Air Flow sensor clean?

      If my memory is correct, the 03-05 do not have a actual throttle wire instead on the accelerator is a resistor that "reads" the angle of the pedal. This data is sent to the PCM which then applies voltage to the Throttle Position Sensor measuring the voltage drop & calculates fuel delivery.
      I don't think you can make any physical adjustment to the TPS.. It is all done electronically.

      But I would look at the wiring at the accelerator & make certain all is good with those plugs & jack's.
      Mike

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      • #4
        Even though they’re new, you could still have a COP that has failed. As Frank said, check for OBD codes.

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        • #5
          No check engine light??
          My 05 had similar symptoms and it was the throttle body. The butter fly was stuck. I replaced it with a rebuilt one about a year ago and no problems since. Fuel filter is cheap and easy. Just remove the drivers side front wheel and it is behind the splash shield under the fire wall. One more thing is the MAP sensor may need cleaning. There is a special cleaning fluid for it and its easy.
          Let me know if you need any help. A ride to East Texas would not hurt my feelings at all.

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          • #6
            Solution has been achieved! Thank you all so much for giving me direction. It was a dirty Mass Air Flow sensor that caused the hesitation. I cleaned it with some electronic contact cleaner that I had, and we're off to the races. I figured that wisdom was to start with the simple fix first, and go from there. I truly do appreciate the time everyone took to try and help. Y'all are awesome folks.

            Mr. Tbear. If you want to come help me drink a beer in east TX, or if you want to go see Jefferson TX, or any such thing, just let me know. Thank you for your kind offer of coming over to help. That was very nice.

            So much craziness in the world just now, and y'all prove up! Made my day. Thanks again. :-D

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mujiir View Post
              ......... It was a dirty Mass Air Flow sensor that caused the hesitation. .....
              As an additional note, be sure not over-oil the air filter on your relatively new K&N CAI system. Its first stop on the tour just might be that sensor.

              Bird is the word.....
              Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

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              • #8
                Update... I recently had a very similar occurrence as I described above. This time, it was the fuel filter. Changed out and back on the road again! Gotta love an easy fix.

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                • #9
                  Absolutely the best kind!

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                  • #10
                    When I had my 2005 Thunderbird, I had on occasion stopped for a stop sign and then had to rev the engine somewhat to engage drive. I brought it in to Ford to have the Transmission fluid changed and it turned out that all along I was 1&1/2 quarts low. When the new fluid replaced the old fluid was when we discovered the problem. Once the additional needed fluid was added, the transmission acted like it was brand new and shifted better than ever before. Apparently these transmissions will learn to function, if less than perfectly, with low transmission fluid.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RustyFrye View Post

                      As an additional note, be sure not over-oil the air filter on your relatively new K&N CAI system. Its first stop on the tour just might be that sensor.
                      HOW DO YOU CLEAN THE k&n FILTER?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BLACK BEAUTY View Post

                        HOW DO YOU CLEAN THE k&n FILTER?
                        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A59XehUEBUQ

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                        • #13
                          Thanks Gene..ordered ! My Filter was free from a TBN member(he said it was too noisy). It Was made by the forerunner of K&N.

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