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  • Retro Thunderbird Buyers Guide

    This excellent video was just released today

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    Well done, concise reviews. Instructions on resetting the hardtop locking characteristics is probably still
    available on the 'Nest in a deep search, but so far, I've not been able to find the method (excluding lubricants).
    Last edited by JerriLampon; Jul 11, 2023, 04:05 PM.

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    • #3
      A very thorough, honest and well presented evaluation. Thanks for passing it along.

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      • #4
        A timely video, thanks for sharing it with us!
        Life without passion is no life at all.
        Sean Combs

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        • #5
          Thank you Bob, it reminds me of why I like my Thunderbird so much, I can't part with her. She still gets regular exercise and of course annual Thunderbird events.
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          • #6
            You beat me to it, Brad. Thanks for posting the link.

            It's a great review for the retro. I've also looked at one of the many he has done for the Corvette so if anyone is interested in those, they are worth watching too.
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            • #7
              This seems a very fair and helpful review. Of course, I substantially agree with it so I may not be fully objective.

              He makes one telling point: He recommends *against* taking retro birds to Ford dealerships for service. I don't disagree with this, especially not at the age of our cars. Ford dealers probably have no better access to parts and probably no more experience with these cars than a competent independent.

              Still, it feels a little strange to me. Of course, dealerships and car manufacturers are not what they once were. When I was a kid, my family bought several cars from the Ford dealer at the county seat. The owner was someone the family knew. He regarded it as a point of honor that, if it was a Ford, Mercury, or Lincoln product of any vintage, his mechanics could diagnose and service it. It was a simpler time.

              Living in larger urban areas, it's been my experience that one dealer in the area always enjoys a better reputation for honesty and service. When otherwise stymied (e.g. My local independent isn't able to reflash the PCM), I have taken the car to that dealer with reasonable success. When I was rear-ended in my first Tbird, I also took it to that dealership's body shop, partly on the theory that they would have better sources for parts. In retrospect, that may not have been realistic but they were a very good shop and they did a great job on the repair.

              I guess my point is that sometimes it makes sense to try a dealership but it also pays to scope out the dealership's likely competence and willingness to go the distance it takes to service a car that's probably outside their comfort zone and maximum profit margin.

              Duane

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              • #8
                I deal with many FORD dealerships nationwide selling them Retro parts. In my opinion about 1/3 work on Retro Tbirds routinely and welcome them for service. 1/3 begrudgingly work on them and often provide inflated estimates to discouraged customers from using them and another 1/3 flat out won't touch them.

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                • #9
                  The other day, YouTube’s algorithm got me. My feed suddenly filled with 2002 Ford Thunderbird videos, and after clicking one, it was T-Bird overload. Many videos criticized the T-Bird’s performance, calling it lackluster. But is that fair? Judging a 20-year-old car by today’s standards feels like a misstep. So, I asked Grok to take me back to 2002 to see how the Thunderbird stacked up then, focusing on performance metrics and its place among convertibles.

                  First, we explored horsepower versus torque for typical or weekend drivers. Torque peaks at lower RPMs (e.g., 2,000–4,500 – 4300 for the TBirds in 2002), making it ideal for city driving, quick starts, passing on two-lane roads, or spirited weekend drives on curvy backroads.

                  For a typical or weekend driver, horsepower is less critical, as it is most relevant for prolonged high-speed highway cruising or racetrack scenarios where the engine is pushed to redline. Horsepower is less noticeable in daily driving scenarios like city traffic or short energetic drives.

                  For typical or weekend drivers, torque is king. It is the instant acceleration and responsiveness in everyday scenarios—stoplights, merging, or climbing hills—without needing to rev the engine to its limits. High torque at low RPMs feels punchier, making drives more engaging and fun, a standout for relaxed yet lively cruising.

                  Next, we lined up 2002 convertibles and two-seaters to see how the T-Bird compared in its day. We used a harmonized metric—dollars per torque-to-weight ratio—to balance performance and value. A lower torque-to-weight ratio (pounds per lb-ft) means better acceleration, and dividing the base price by this ratio shows cost efficiency. Here’s the lineup:

                  Model Weight (lbs) Horsepower (HP) Torque (lb-ft) HP-to-Weight (lbs/HP) Torque-to-Weight (lbs/lb-ft) Base Price (USD) Dollars per Torque-to-Weight Luxury Cabin (1-5) Handling (1-5) Comfort for Long Cruises (1-5)
                  Ford Thunderbird 3,865 252 267 15.34 14.48 35,390 2,445 4 3 4
                  Mercedes-Benz SLK230 3,055 192 200 15.91 15.28 39,860 2,609 4 4 4
                  Mercedes-Benz SLK320 3,120 215 229 14.51 13.62 45,500 3,340 5 4 4
                  Mazda MX-5 Miata 2,447 142 125 17.23 19.58 21,180 1,082 2 5 2
                  Volvo C70 3,600 236 244 15.25 14.75 37,525 2,544 4 3 4
                  Chevrolet Corvette 3,221 350 360 9.2 8.95 41,680 4,657 3 5 3
                  Porsche Boxster 2,811 217 192 12.96 14.64 42,600 2,910 4 5 3
                  Lexus SC 430 3,840 300 325 12.8 11.82 58,455 4,946 5 4 5
                  BMW Z3 M Roadster 3,131 315 251 9.94 12.47 45,990 3,688 4 5 3
                  BMW Z4 3.0i (2003) 2,998 225 214 13.32 14.01 40,900 2,919 4 5 4

                  At $2,445 dollars per torque-to-weight, the Thunderbird is the most affordable among the closest competitors (SLK230 at $2,609, Volvo C70 at $2,544), offering comparable luxury (4/5) and comfort (4/5). The Miata, at $1,082, is cheaper but lacks the T-Bird’s upscale interior and long-cruise comfort (2/5 each).

                  The Corvette and Z3 M Roadster outperform in power, but their higher cost and less luxurious cabins make them less practical for weekend or long cruising.

                  The T-Bird’s 267 lb-ft torque and 14.48 torque-to-weight ratio deliver a responsive drive, enhanced by its unique retro styling—a standout in 2002.

                  Back in 2002, without today’s hindsight on reliability, the Thunderbird was a compelling pick. It offered a near-luxury cabin, smooth ride, and strong torque for spirited drives, all at a competitive price. Its dollars per torque-to-weight ratio beat pricier rivals like the SLK320 ($3,340) and Lexus SC 430 ($4,946), making it a value-driven choice for style-conscious cruisers. Even today, its distinctive look and torquey V8 make it a keeper—perfect for passing down.

                  Next on my list, after the Borla, engine and transmission tune (I would welcome your guidance in this department), update the suspension to improve handling.

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                  • #10
                    Very cool, Reza. I added the Borlas and left it at that. Passed it on to my daughter and she enjoys it immensely. It gives me great pleasure to see her drive it.

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