Fastest production Bird?

[Greg S]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

I wouldn't think 7.0, 0 to 60 would be routine acceleration.

[jerrym3]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

I wouldn't think 7.0, 0 to 60 would be routine acceleration.

Then I misunderstood what you meant by routine.

Did you mean "typical" or "average"?

These days, 0-60 in 7.0 (or less) is pretty typical/average for a car like the TBird.

Many family sedans are also that quick, considering the 0-60 time for an Avalon, which is thought by many to be today's Crown Vic/Gran Marquis.

Today's sedan V6 engines with turbos are pumping out a lot of ponies, and our TBirds aren't considered light. Plus, our engines are anywhere from 8 to 11 years old. Technolgy marches on.

But, even then, there are cars that are still much slower than our retros, and some that are much faster.

[cewhite3]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

Hi Ed,

Regarding your post about trying to take a supercharged engine (or hardware) from the Jaguar ’S’ type, that’s exactly what Ford started with when they built the ‘Supercharged Concept Thunderbird in 2003. The first problem is that once they got the engine in, the wiring didn’t work, had to be completely re-done. When they finally got the supercharged engine running, the extra power blew the transmission out. So, back to the drawing board. In the end, they gave up on the idea of trying to offer a supercharged Thunderbird for sale to the public. Part of the reason was that even if they had produced the supercharged Thunderbird, the MSRP would have to be around
$ 50,000. For just didn’t think the public would pay $ 50,000 for a T-bird. To make matters worse, at that time, T-Bird sales had slowed considerably and Ford had other financial problems to deal with aside from the T-Bird.

So, how many TBN members would have spent $ 50,000 IF a supercharged T-Bird would have been available?

LA PHIL

Suppose today you had a wrecked 2004 Jaguar S R Type - how much trouble would it be to swap over the drive train (engine transmission, rear end)? Just a thought... I am sure figuring out the engine wiring would be the hardest part.

Ed

[SugarDaddy]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

Think electrics by Lucas, the Prince of Darkness.

Can you imagine trying integrate American vs. British electrical systems and computers.

[Greg S]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

No, I meant as in routine accleration from a red light etc. I don't believe it would be routine to accelerate as fast as possible in that situation.

[jayred1]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

Who's red light routine? Someone's mother or their son???

(ok Rusty, I set the table for you with this one ...!)

[jerrym3]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

Who's red light routine? Someone's mother or their son???

(ok Rusty, I set the table for you with this one ...!)

Exactly.

Thirty years ago my routine acceleration was a lot different than it is today, and so were my average freeway speeds and the lane I most travel in routinely.

(Fifty years ago, I kept looking for competition at every stop light.)

[cewhite3]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

Think electrics by Lucas, the Prince of Darkness.
Can you imagine trying integrate American vs. British electrical systems and computers.

In 2005 Ford was still running Jaguar. I doubt the electrics were much different (probably Bosch, not Lucas).

Ed

[Rondor]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

Exactly.
Thirty years ago my routine acceleration was a lot different than it is today, and so were my average freeway speeds and the lane I most travel in routinely.
(Fifty years ago, I kept looking for competition at every stop light.)

AMEN to that

[lmartun]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

XCAL2 ‘Horsepower in a box’

LA PHIL

Hey Phil:

I am clueless on this one. Can you link me to a site that explains what it is and where to buy it?


Lou

[5bird7]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

Lou, there was alot of discussion on XCal 2, etc. back in 2003-2005 but I can't find much here before 2005. As I recall, SCT was a group of ex-Ford engineers who formed their own company and build programs to enhance the power on these tbirds and other Ford products. They worked with a group of owners in Georgia (DavidA was one of them) testing the programs on their cars. I did find a www.sctflash.com website that appears to be the same group. Phil sells their product.

[BLACK BEAUTY]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

I've got the SCT product..#3015.....but not from Phil

[TBirdNoob]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

Then I misunderstood what you meant by routine.
Did you mean "typical" or "average"?
These days, 0-60 in 7.0 (or less) is pretty typical/average for a car like the TBird.
Many family sedans are also that quick, considering the 0-60 time for an Avalon, which is thought by many to be today's Crown Vic/Gran Marquis.
Today's sedan V6 engines with turbos are pumping out a lot of ponies, and our TBirds aren't considered light. Plus, our engines are anywhere from 8 to 11 years old. Technolgy marches on.
But, even then, there are cars that are still much slower than our retros, and some that are much faster.

Well, see, that's my question. So, let's say, Honda CRV, common as dirt, 2013 specs say 4400 lb and 180hp. TBird, 3700 lb, 290 hp, I got left at a standstill today by the Honda (not racing, just couldn't even keep up from a standing start).

Is it the low end torque ratio? Or am I just running on 2 cylinders?

[WyrdBird]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

Question: How many 2002-2005 T-Bird owners would consider installing a supercharger unit on their cars?
LA PHIL

[Quickdraw]

Re: Fastest production Bird?

There is a guy in Florida who got many excited about adding a supercharger... As I understood it he wanted about $10,000 and has already done one Tbird. http://www.thunderbirdnest.com/forum...ad.php?t=35660