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  • #46
    Originally posted by HKS View Post

    Fredrick,

    OK I just remembered. I do not have a schematic of the FEM. If you have the electrical service book like mine, then this is how you reverse engineer it:
    Get an Ohm Meter with sharp pin test leads. You need to break through the clear coating applied to all components.

    The MOSFETs transistors have Gate and Source marked as G and S. The Drain pin is in the middle and is not marked. That is the one you want to connect to most of the time.
    The power window MOSFETs are N Channel since they apply a ground to operate (just like tail lights and headlights), go ahead and measure from pin 1 and/later pin 2 of FEM connector C201G.

    From pin 1 and later pin 2 measure a short or very low resistance to all 11 MOSFETS Drain (the unmarked middle pin).
    Locate which Q # (like Q21 etc) is associated with pins 1 and pin 2 of FEM connector C201G. This connector has 4 big pins to handle FEM power and Driver's Power window.

    After you have found which Q numbers correspond to C201G pins 1 and 2, let me and all of us know.

    When I have time I will try to identify all the other MOSFETS and recommend replacement part numbers and sources. The lights should be easy. All the N channel transistors should be the same. So far, I have only found two P channel circuits, dash lights and power steering solenoid.

    Time to stop information overload. To be continued.
    Hermann
    i made a video to showw how i did it with no result


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHcOjXKaSnk
    I Started out with nothing and I still got most of it left

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    • #47
      Originally posted by HKS View Post
      Plug pin number to Q Power transistor numbers I have started on, will be here. I will edit this post as I add FEM info.
      Connector:
      C201a
      pin 9 goes to Q35 Power Steering.
      pin 4 goes to Q__Turn Stop Hazard Lamps.
      pin 5 goes to Q__Turn Stop Hazard Lamps.
      pin 6 goes to Q__External Lamps
      pin10 goes to Q__Auto Lamps__
      pin17 goes to Q__Auto Lamps
      pin 7 goes to Q__Auto Lamps
      pin 8 goes to Q__Auto Lamps

      C201C
      pin 2 goes to Q__Turn Stop Hazard Lamps.

      C201e
      pin 11 goes to Q36 ??? Instrument Cluster

      C201g
      pin 2 goes to Q__ Power Windows
      pin 1 goes to Q__ Power Windows

      C201b
      pin21 goes to Q__ P93 Battery Junction Box Relays K321 K322 K323 K324
      pin14 goes to Q__ Windshield Washer Pump








      To be continued



      Hermann this is what i measured hope we can use it
      Fredrik

      R=Right
      M=Midle
      (IF LOOKING AT THE MOFET SO YOU SEE THE TEXT, LEGS DOWN)


      C201a


      Pin 1 goes to: Q35R

      Pin 2 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

      Pin 3 Goes to: no connection with MOFET

      Pin 4 goes to: Q25M Turn Stop Hazard Lamps.

      Pin 5 goes to: Q34M Turn Stop Hazard Lamps.

      Pin 6 goes to: Q21M External Lamps

      Pin 7 goes to: Q32M Auto Lamps

      Pin 8 goes to: Q29M Auto Lamps

      Pin 9 goes to: Q35M Power Steering.

      Pin 10 goes to: Q31M Auto Lamps__

      Pin 11 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

      Pin 12 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

      Pin 13 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

      Pin 14 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

      Pin 15 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

      pin17 goes to: no connection with MOFET

      pin17 goes to: Q26M Auto Lamps



      C201C
      pin 2 goes to Q__Turn Stop Hazard Lamps. .................................... no connection with MOFET

      C201e
      pin 11 goes to Q36 ??? Instrument Cluster ..................................... Q36M

      C201g
      pin 2 goes to Q__ Power Windows .................................................. .. no connection with MOFET
      pin 1 goes to Q__ Power Windows ................................................ no connection with MOFET

      C201b
      pin21 goes to Q__ P93 Battery Junction Box Relays K321 K322 K323 K324 no connection with MOFET
      pin14 goes to Q__ Windshield Washer Pump .................................. no connection with MOFET




      Last edited by Fredrik73; Jun 3, 2020, 06:18 PM. Reason: Swenglish spelling, had to shange some Swedish words to English
      I Started out with nothing and I still got most of it left

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      • #48
        Originally posted by HKS View Post

        You will also need 11 new .insulating sill pads for the transistors.

        IC18 may be a regulator and may be the entire problem. You need to apply 12 volts to the power plug and measure the pins and see if 12v goes in and what comes out. Maybe +5 volts comes out.

        I don't recomend replacing all transistors.
        i will do that tomorrow
        why does the time go so quick when you have fun? the klock is 2:15 PM now must go to bed
        I Started out with nothing and I still got most of it left

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        • #49
          here is a maby usefull MOFET?

          https://www.datasheetq.com/datasheet...irchild/76419P
          I Started out with nothing and I still got most of it left

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Fredrik73 View Post
            Max current 27 Amps. Maybe enough. The case looks like it is too thick and the spring fingers might be hard to get back on.
            I will dig up what I have found.and edit this post.
            HKS

            Here is an N channel transistor I found.
            https://www.jameco.com/z/IRF520-Majo...MaAvtuEALw_wcB

            P Channel
            https://www.jameco.com/shop/StoreCat...type=jamecoall

            Testing MOSFETs
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=gloikp9t2dA
            Last edited by HKS; Jun 4, 2020, 05:46 AM.
            2002 TB Motor Trend COTY Blue/White/Full #24737 (One of 291)
            2021 Explorer XLT Sport 2.3L 300HP/310FP color RollingThunder
            2015 Passat SE TDI 150HP/236FP (40MpgCity47MpgHW) 720MR
            26Mpg in traffic jam. Skill required to get 40+mpg in town.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Fredrik73 View Post




              Hermann this is what i measured hope we can use it
              Fredrik

              R=Right
              M=Midle
              (IF LOOKING AT THE MOFET SO YOU SEE THE TEXT, LEGS DOWN)


              C201a


              Pin 1 goes to: Q35R

              Pin 2 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

              Pin 3 Goes to: no connection with MOFET

              Pin 4 goes to: Q25M Turn Stop Hazard Lamps.

              Pin 5 goes to: Q34M Turn Stop Hazard Lamps.

              Pin 6 goes to: Q21M External Lamps

              Pin 7 goes to: Q32M Auto Lamps

              Pin 8 goes to: Q29M Auto Lamps

              Pin 9 goes to: Q35M Power Steering.

              Pin 10 goes to: Q31M Auto Lamps__

              Pin 11 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

              Pin 12 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

              Pin 13 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

              Pin 14 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

              Pin 15 Goes to: Q31R, Q26R, Q29R, Q32R, Q21R, Q34R, Q25R, IC18M, Q28R

              pin17 goes to: no connection with MOFET

              pin17 goes to: Q26M Auto Lamps



              C201C
              pin 2 goes to Q__Turn Stop Hazard Lamps. .................................... no connection with MOFET

              C201e
              pin 11 goes to Q36 ??? Instrument Cluster ..................................... Q36M

              C201g
              pin 2 goes to Q__ Power Windows .................................................. .. no connection with MOFET
              pin 1 goes to Q__ Power Windows ................................................ no connection with MOFET

              C201b
              pin21 goes to Q__ P93 Battery Junction Box Relays K321 K322 K323 K324 no connection with MOFET
              pin14 goes to Q__ Windshield Washer Pump .................................. no connection with MOFET




              C201a Pin 1 goes to +12V fuse F2.30 5 amp. An pin 1 +12 does goes to the Source of Q35 the P type MSOSFT
              Make sure you use the lowest Ohmmeter scale. You should read a short circuit or 1 to 2 Ohms. You were probably reading a load resistance in Q35 .

              I am only interested in the M readings. Middle pin which is the Drain.
              Any C201a readings from pin2 to other Q# are Ground.
              Last edited by HKS; Jun 4, 2020, 08:29 AM.
              2002 TB Motor Trend COTY Blue/White/Full #24737 (One of 291)
              2021 Explorer XLT Sport 2.3L 300HP/310FP color RollingThunder
              2015 Passat SE TDI 150HP/236FP (40MpgCity47MpgHW) 720MR
              26Mpg in traffic jam. Skill required to get 40+mpg in town.

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              • #52
                Fredrik,
                Attached is FEM schematic showing switching required for passenger window.

                FEM-WindowPasenger C201G-pin1-2-4.jpg

                I don't know if switching is done by relays or MOSFETs. Metal Oxide Silicon Field Effect Transistors.
                Most all switching is done by MOSFETs.
                2002 TB Motor Trend COTY Blue/White/Full #24737 (One of 291)
                2021 Explorer XLT Sport 2.3L 300HP/310FP color RollingThunder
                2015 Passat SE TDI 150HP/236FP (40MpgCity47MpgHW) 720MR
                26Mpg in traffic jam. Skill required to get 40+mpg in town.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by HKS View Post

                  C201a Pin 1 goes to +12V fuse F2.30 5 amp. An pin 1 +12 does goes to the Source of Q35 the P type MSOSFT
                  Make sure you use the lowest Ohmmeter scale. You should read a short circuit or 1 to 2 Ohms. You were probably reading a load resistance in Q35 .

                  I am only interested in the M readings. Middle pin which is the Drain.
                  Any C201a readings from pin2 to other Q# are Ground.
                  Ok Hermann
                  i Will try to measure the resistent instead
                  /Fredrik
                  I Started out with nothing and I still got most of it left

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by HKS View Post
                    Fredrik,
                    Attached is FEM schematic showing switching required for passenger window.

                    FEM-WindowPasenger C201G-pin1-2-4.jpg

                    I don't know if switching is done by relays or MOSFETs. Metal Oxide Silicon Field Effect Transistors.
                    Most all switching is done by MOSFETs.
                    i have measured alot but only get strange values on everything must get help from my friend
                    the values are pending up and down on the mofets
                    I Started out with nothing and I still got most of it left

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Fredrik73 View Post

                      i have measured alot but only get strange values on everything must get help from my friend
                      the values are pending up and down on the mofets
                      Are you trying to measure resistance with +12V power applied to the FEM? Resistance (continuity) is measured with power disconnected.

                      I am only trying to identify all MOSFET switches (they are switches) by tracing the connector pin number to the MOSFET Drain (center pin) for now.
                      HERMANN
                      2002 TB Motor Trend COTY Blue/White/Full #24737 (One of 291)
                      2021 Explorer XLT Sport 2.3L 300HP/310FP color RollingThunder
                      2015 Passat SE TDI 150HP/236FP (40MpgCity47MpgHW) 720MR
                      26Mpg in traffic jam. Skill required to get 40+mpg in town.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by HKS View Post

                        Are you trying to measure resistance with +12V power applied to the FEM? Resistance (continuity) is measured with power disconnected.

                        I am only trying to identify all MOSFET switches (they are switches) by tracing the connector pin number to the MOSFET Drain (center pin) for now.
                        HERMANN
                        now i have measure and pin 3 have resitance between all mofets center pins.
                        and the same for pin 4 resistance between all mofets center pin and pin 4
                        and no powersorce connected
                        I Started out with nothing and I still got most of it left

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                        • #57
                          Fredrick,
                          Are you talking about the 4 pin power connector?
                          Also, maybe we should continue our FEM investigation by using the TBN private message option.

                          We can go back to posting for all to see when we have things figured out.
                          Hermann
                          2002 TB Motor Trend COTY Blue/White/Full #24737 (One of 291)
                          2021 Explorer XLT Sport 2.3L 300HP/310FP color RollingThunder
                          2015 Passat SE TDI 150HP/236FP (40MpgCity47MpgHW) 720MR
                          26Mpg in traffic jam. Skill required to get 40+mpg in town.

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