Originally posted by 007Cruiser
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Yes, all were done in a similar fashion... they didnt run all the same model or color down the line one after another. While i worked at Ford i gathered data to support the online Thunderbird community and continue to do so years after retiring.
Further info, the 03-05 Special Editions had a numbered plaque in the glove box - like for the Bond Birds a plaque would read # 349 of 700 We've learned these number plaques were also assigned "not exactly" in build or VIN sequence but generally did follow in order.Leave a comment:
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I just didn’t imagine that it took three months to build all the NM. Somehow I figured they ran so many done the line to start then did all the NM back to back. So if you don’t mind me asking, how did you learn all this info? And have you looked or do you know if the other year limited editions were done the same way. For example the James Bond 007 and the pacific coast roadster and the cashmere editions?Leave a comment:
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The VINs are more closely corelated to build date than the NM table would indicate. This was startup for a BRAND NEW automobile and brand new year. While the NMs show a VIN spread of only 200 digits over three months, the regular production Tbird VINs were into the mid- 002500s by September of 2001.Originally posted by Rhudy View PostLeave a comment:
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Wow that is some great information there. And to your point earlier proves the vin’s are in no sequence at all. That is exactly the info I was looking for. Thank you again for all your time and info. You are a valuable resource to this group.Leave a comment:
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Randal, Here is the build dates of all the NMs, keep in mind that for cars built the same day, any one of them may have gone down the line ahead or behind another built on the same day. I use Microsoft Access for these tables and that makes it pretty easy to extract data.
6/11/2001 100162 6/12/2001 100166 6/12/2001 100174 6/12/2001 100172 6/12/2001 100171 6/12/2001 100175 6/12/2001 100173 6/12/2001 100167 6/13/2001 100169 6/13/2001 100044 6/13/2001 100170 6/13/2001 100047 6/13/2001 100055 6/13/2001 100045 6/13/2001 100043 6/13/2001 100053 6/13/2001 100148 6/13/2001 100150 6/14/2001 100049 6/14/2001 100032 6/14/2001 100157 6/14/2001 100152 6/14/2001 100040 6/14/2001 100156 6/14/2001 100029 6/14/2001 100039 6/14/2001 100159 6/14/2001 100030 6/14/2001 100027 6/14/2001 100154 6/14/2001 100038 6/14/2001 100031 6/14/2001 100026 6/14/2001 100028 6/14/2001 100041 6/15/2001 100034 6/15/2001 100035 6/15/2001 100036 6/18/2001 100033 6/18/2001 100093 6/18/2001 100091 6/18/2001 100092 6/18/2001 100097 6/18/2001 100098 6/18/2001 100099 6/18/2001 100096 6/18/2001 100095 6/18/2001 100094 6/18/2001 100101 6/19/2001 100083 6/19/2001 100081 6/19/2001 100090 6/19/2001 100085 6/19/2001 100087 6/19/2001 100088 6/19/2001 100084 6/20/2001 100077 6/20/2001 100076 6/20/2001 100080 6/20/2001 100072 6/20/2001 100074 6/21/2001 100069 6/21/2001 100062 6/21/2001 100065 6/21/2001 100068 6/21/2001 100064 6/21/2001 100067 6/22/2001 100048 6/22/2001 100046 6/25/2001 100056 6/25/2001 100058 6/25/2001 100052 6/25/2001 100057 6/25/2001 100059 6/25/2001 100054 6/26/2001 100153 6/26/2001 100145 6/26/2001 100149 6/26/2001 100142 6/26/2001 100151 6/26/2001 100143 6/26/2001 100147 6/26/2001 100144 6/26/2001 100146 6/28/2001 100127 6/28/2001 100122 6/28/2001 100123 6/28/2001 100121 6/28/2001 100125 6/28/2001 100128 6/28/2001 100124 6/29/2001 100139 6/29/2001 100133 6/29/2001 100140 6/29/2001 100138 6/29/2001 100132 6/29/2001 100137 6/29/2001 100134 6/29/2001 100136 6/29/2001 100135 6/30/2001 100066 6/30/2001 100086 6/30/2001 100160 6/30/2001 100141 6/30/2001 100060 6/30/2001 100037 6/30/2001 100071 6/30/2001 100042 6/30/2001 100131 6/30/2001 100163 6/30/2001 100126 6/30/2001 100129 6/30/2001 100082 6/30/2001 100079 6/30/2001 100051 6/30/2001 100063 6/30/2001 100161 6/30/2001 100158 6/30/2001 100130 6/30/2001 100168 6/30/2001 100073 6/30/2001 100078 6/30/2001 100089 6/30/2001 100075 6/30/2001 100061 6/30/2001 100070 6/30/2001 100050 6/30/2001 100155 6/30/2001 100165 6/30/2001 100164 7/17/2001 100108 7/17/2001 100103 7/17/2001 100104 7/17/2001 100102 7/17/2001 100107 7/17/2001 100110 7/17/2001 100109 7/17/2001 100100 7/18/2001 100116 7/18/2001 100119 7/18/2001 100114 7/18/2001 100115 7/18/2001 100118 7/18/2001 100117 7/18/2001 100113 7/18/2001 100112 7/19/2001 100208 7/19/2001 100206 7/19/2001 100207 7/20/2001 100212 7/20/2001 100215 7/20/2001 100213 7/20/2001 100210 7/20/2001 100209 7/20/2001 100211 7/20/2001 100214 7/23/2001 100225 7/23/2001 100220 7/23/2001 100217 7/23/2001 100218 7/23/2001 100219 7/23/2001 100223 7/23/2001 100216 7/23/2001 100224 7/23/2001 100222 7/25/2001 100192 7/25/2001 100193 7/25/2001 100198 7/25/2001 100203 7/25/2001 100189 7/25/2001 100186 7/25/2001 100190 7/25/2001 100200 7/25/2001 100195 7/25/2001 100196 7/25/2001 100201 7/25/2001 100205 7/25/2001 100188 7/25/2001 100187 7/25/2001 100194 7/25/2001 100199 7/25/2001 100204 7/25/2001 100197 7/25/2001 100111 7/27/2001 100182 7/27/2001 100181 7/27/2001 100184 7/27/2001 100178 7/27/2001 100176 7/27/2001 100179 7/27/2001 100180 7/27/2001 100185 7/27/2001 100183 7/27/2001 100177 8/7/2001 100191 8/7/2001 100202 9/24/2001 100221 9/24/2001 100120 9/30/2001 100106 9/30/2001 100105 Leave a comment:
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Man you are a wealth of information. And now I understand what you are saying about the vin’s. If these were the first 23, they have higher vin’s than the NM I have and the one I’m looking to buy. And like you said we still don’t know what order those were produced in, just that they were built that day. That’s very frustrating for a numbers guy like me. Lol. Thank you again for all the information and patiently answering all my questions. If there is ever anything I can do to help with anything please let me know. All of this is very interesting to me. I am a Microsoft certified excel expert so I love the numbers part and compiling extensive lists to try to narrow down build numbers and be able to qualify how many were built like that. You are a true asset to this club and it is much appreciated.Leave a comment:
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The first day of recorded production was 3/14/2001 when they built 23 units. Two of those 23 were NMs. Here are the first 23 built but I lack the data to sort them in order of build so anyone of these could have been the first built. Keep in mind # 245 and 246 were destroyed by the company.
Body Color Hard Top Color Base Vin Torch Red None 100247 Torch Red Evening Black 100250 Evening Black Evening Black 100242 Evening Black Evening Black 100256 Torch Red Torch Red 100248 Evening Black None 100251 Evening Black Evening Black 100226 Evening Black None 100243 Evening Black None 100257 Evening Black Evening Black 100260 Torch Red Torch Red 100249 Evening Black Performance White 100252 Evening Black None 100227 Evening Black Evening Black 100244 Evening Black Evening Black 100258 Torch Red Performance White 100253 Evening Black Evening Black 100259 Evening Black Evening Black 100240 Evening Black Performance White 100254 Evening Black Performance White 100241 Evening Black None 100255 Evening Black Satin Silver (NM) 100245 Evening Black Satin Silver (NM) 100246 Leave a comment:
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Thank you so much for the info QuickDraw. So a couple of more questions if I may. Do we know what vin was the starting vin when they started building the Thunderbirds? And I read somewhere that they first ones down the line was testing the line and some (like you mentioned on the NM) may have been destroyed. And that one of each color was for the ford museum, and that top execs got other early built ones. So do we know how many Thunderbirds were built before they started producing the NM birds.Leave a comment:
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The build date and VIN are only loosely correlated with the build sequence. The public generally thinks they are exactly correlated and pay big bucks for say #000001 for certain cars thinking that was the first one built when in fact it rarely if ever is the first one built, at least for Ford. Very low VIN# usually go to well connected executives or dealerships and for Ford, there would be several other VINs produced before VIN #00001. Your # 00095 was built on 6/18/2001. On that day there were 11 NM's built. Not including two early prototype NM's that were later destroyed, there were 38 NM's built before 6/18/2001. That means yours was somewhere from the 39th to 51st NM to be built.Originally posted by Rhudy View Post
VIN #00027 was built on 6/14/2001, when 17 were built. Not counting those two early destroyed NMs there were 18 NMs built before 6/14 so #00027 could have been as early as #19 or as high as the # 35th NM built. To answer your question about "specialness" - yes, some people DO feel the low VINs are special and are willing to pay up for them.Leave a comment:
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Hey QuickDraw. I have a 2002 Neiman Marcus Tbird with vin ending in 100095. I also am in discussions to buy another 2002 Neiman Marcus with a vin ending in 100027. Can you give me the info on those two please. And can you tell me if the 100027 would have been the 2nd NM off the line? I’m hoping I can substantiate that as to help convince me to buy a 2nd one. Lol. I guess what I’m hoping for is would the low vin number on the NM make it more special. Any light that you can shine on that would be greatly appreciated.Leave a comment:
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Order Date: 4/28/2004
Date Built: 6/4/2004
At Dealer: 6/16/2004
Sold Date: 7/30/2004
Sold By: Greenway Ford, Orlando, FL
Description: 2004 Premium, Merlot body, no hardtop, sand interior accent package, SST, 16 spoke machined wheels
Invoice: $37,438.30 (Dealer cost, not sticker price)
One Of: 42
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My point is I've seen this before. I do post more than most...gotta keep this Forum going..I just ordered this Meguiars Ultimate Liquid Wax...good reviewsLeave a comment:
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