Get build information on your 2002-2005 Thunderbird.

[2K2BIRD]

Harry,

Please give us the scoop on what the Saleen Bonspeed Retrobird began it's life as.

VIN 1FAHP60A32Y100369

Thanks!

[007Cruiser]

Interesting data

[Quickdraw]

Harry,

Would your database allow you to develop a quick and dirty spread sheet that calculates and sorts the time by model year that dealers held on to these cars before selling them. Sounds like Ford let Dealers shoot themselves and the Retrobird in the foot. They killed demand before it got started.

I don’t recall similar price gouging with the original Mustang. Ford just kept cranking them out and sold a pot load.

Bears get rich, Bulls get rich, and Hogs get slaughtered.

If anyone from the “Big Ford in the Sky” reads our site, maybe they’ll get the message.

I don't believe that "dealers held on to them" was the problem, rather it was lack of demand. When the dealers couldn't sell them for a markup, the markup came off. I did a breakdown on this topic on a thread that was later trashed by site updates. But here is "average days on lot" for the various colors:
https://www.thunderbirdnest.com/foru...754#post784754
Notice how much longer it took a dealer to sell a 2002 RED one compared to a Thunderbird Blue.
P.S. the reason for excluding retail ordered, A&X plan, Fleet, etc vehicles is that these vehicles were ordered by a specific customer or company and typically did not sit on the lot for more than a day or two. Including these sales would have skewed the results.

[Alamobird]

Mine had a $10,000 premium until late summer 2002. When I got it in December 2002 the premium cost was off....

Some cars sat on the lot for over a year before being sold.

Harry,

Would your database allow you to develop a quick and dirty spread sheet that calculates and sorts the time by model year that dealers held on to these cars before selling them. Sounds like Ford let Dealers shoot themselves and the Retrobird in the foot. They killed demand before it got started.

I don’t recall similar price gouging with the original Mustang. Ford just kept cranking them out and sold a pot load.

Bears get rich, Bulls get rich, and Hogs get slaughtered.

If anyone from the “Big Ford in the Sky” reads our site, maybe they’ll get the message.

[02-T-Bird]

Harry,

Thanks for the info. I was surprised to see that a 2002 sat at the dealer for 5 months before it sold. Possibly indicative of the dealer holding out for a premium over the sticker price for the 2002 models?

Does anyone remember how long the dealers were able to gouge the public before supply caught up to demand?

I dônt know how "demos" work in the states but is it possible that the dealer kept his for a demo. Mine had 5,000 km and was still in the dealerships name, I was told that the dealer had it at his house as a demo and his wife drove it.

[Quickdraw]

Harry,

Thanks for the info. I was surprised to see that a 2002 sat at the dealer for 5 months before it sold. Possibly indicative of the dealer holding out for a premium over the sticker price for the 2002 models?

Does anyone remember how long the dealers were able to gouge the public before supply caught up to demand?

Mine had a $10,000 premium until late summer 2002. When I got it in December 2002 the premium cost was off....

Some cars sat on the lot for over a year before being sold.

[2K2BIRD]

Harry,

Thanks for the info. I was surprised to see that a 2002 sat at the dealer for 5 months before it sold. Possibly indicative of the dealer holding out for a premium over the sticker price for the 2002 models?

Does anyone remember how long the dealers were able to gouge the public before supply caught up to demand?

They were being pretty heavily discounted in some places by the end of the 03 model year. The dealers' greed turned off plenty of buyers that never came back.

[Alamobird]

Bob,

1FAHP60A42Y124647
Dealer: Rizzo Ford, North Providence, RI
Order Date: 6/19/2002
Build date: 8/14/2002
At Dealer: 8/25/2002
Sold Date: 1/28/2003
Description: 2002 premium, Whisper White body and hardtop, black accent interior, 7 spoke chrome wheels
One Of: 1,911
Dealer Cost: (not window price) $36,853.57

Harry,

Thanks for the info. I was surprised to see that a 2002 sat at the dealer for 5 months before it sold. Possibly indicative of the dealer holding out for a premium over the sticker price for the 2002 models?

Does anyone remember how long the dealers were able to gouge the public before supply caught up to demand?

[Quickdraw]

Harry,

Here is the VIN for the Alamobird when you have time

Thanks in advance

Bob

1FAHP60A42Y124647

Bob,

1FAHP60A42Y124647
Dealer: Rizzo Ford, North Providence, RI
Order Date: 6/19/2002
Build date: 8/14/2002
At Dealer: 8/25/2002
Sold Date: 1/28/2003
Description: 2002 premium, Whisper White body and hardtop, black accent interior, 7 spoke chrome wheels
One Of: 1,911
Dealer Cost: (not window price) $36,853.57

[Quickdraw]

This car has no parking lights.....like a Canadian car?

That was a no cost option for all US vehicles and not something I normally report....

[clenet]

1FAHP60A32Y105510
Dealer: Horn Ford, Brillion, WI
Order Date: 1/12/2001
Build date: 11/14/2001
At Dealer: 11/26/2001
Sold Date: 12/10/2001
Description: 2002 premium, Inspiration Yellow body and hardtop, full yellow interior accent, 7 Spoke Chrome wheels
One Of: 1,938
Dealer Cost: (not window sticker price) $36,958.00

This car has no parking lights.....like a Canadian car?

[Alamobird]

Harry,

Here is the VIN for the Alamobird when you have time

Thanks in advance

Bob

1FAHP60A42Y124647

[Quickdraw]

1FAHP60A32Y105510
Dealer: Horn Ford, Brillion, WI
Order Date: 1/12/2001
Build date: 11/14/2001
At Dealer: 11/26/2001
Sold Date: 12/10/2001
Description: 2002 premium, Inspiration Yellow body and hardtop, full yellow interior accent, 7 Spoke Chrome wheels
One Of: 1,938
Dealer Cost: (not window sticker price) $36,958.00

[clenet]

Hi Harry, I have another one for you 2002 1FAHP60A32Y105510. Thanks much.

[ambitio]

Thank you Bill - Very much appreciate it.